I often avoid writing on religious issues unless I’m poo-poo-ing atheism, or, to be less ineloquent, unless I’m pointing out some sort of flaw with the atheist, non-doctrine. And I say this because, as an atheist, I feel more of a right to be critical.
But then I got to thinking: I don’t give a shit about what I am. I’m not even really an atheist, I identify with no-thing.
It is time. It is time to write a post on religion.
So here it is.
There are many things that I don’t understand about religion, generally. And there are many reasons that have fuelled my disconnection from religious ties. There is one thing (of many) that particularly confuses me though, and that has to do with the notion of …
Fulfilling God’s will.
Now, the reason that this particular element of religiosity confuses me is, to put it simply, and I suppose rather brutally, because of this:
Unless you are God, how on earth could you claim to understand His will?
Okay, so, first of all, one would assume, at least one peering through a non-religious lens, that the first place someone would turn in pursuit of guidance for living by God’s will is the bible.
The bible is seen by many as the how-to guide for life that should be referenced whenever your actions or thought patterns are thrown into personal disrepute. And yes, I’m sure that not everyone would agree with me on this, but keep in mind that I’m speaking with a non-religious megaphone, so it’s only one perspective, and a very non-religious perspective at that.
Though, having said this … the bible was man-made. It’s not a book that escaped God’s personal bookcase and fell down to planet earth for we humans to peruse. It’s not a slice of divinity, written directly from God’s fingers – assuming He has fingers – that is logically infallible and necessarily deserving of puritanic worship.
No. It is a book created by humans, for humans, outlining various interpretations that are, to be honest, usually contradicting in nature, which do no more than attempt to depict the laws and rules of the heavenly masters pulling the strings high above. This makes fulfilling the will of God a subjective matter, and, by consequence, means that the bible can only take you so far until you will inevitably require your own noggin for guidance.
From my experience, this is the next aspect where people entangle themselves in a line of logic that makes no sense to me:
Subjectivity as a means of “feeling” that you’re living out God’s will.
First of all, subjective feelings are misleading. If you’ve been raised a homophobe, your feeling’s are naturally going to tell you that gay’s are bad. Mmmkay. This will in turn mean that justifying this “feeling” with reference to your bible – Luscivious or something – is made much easier. I just feel that homosexuality is wrong, and, well, what do you know, according to the bible, I’m right. We can’t both be wrong? Can we?
Well yes, yes you can. There are many factors that are going to contribute to the way you “feel”. Measuring the extent to which that you believe, according to your own subjectively derived opinion, that you are fulfilling the will of God based on your very human emotions, I don’t think, in my not so very humble opinion, is a very accurate measure. Feelings, after all, are about as transient as the weather. One minute they’re swimming in your conscious spot light, the next minute they’re buried somewhere, deep within your unconscious brain-ism.
To claim that “feeling good” equates to assurance that you are fulfilling the will of of God, leaves the door wide open for people to seek self-gratification, and then claim that they are merely fulfilling the will of God.
I hate gay people, I feel good when I’m speaking condescendingly of them, thus, I’m on the right path. NOTE: this is not supposed to represent a drawn out analysis, merely to point out a crack in the overall wall.
Not very Godly, folks.
Next.
Here is where my main apprehension stems:
The philosophical inconsistency with the premise asserting that there’s a path, a holy path, if you will, that leads to the fulfilment of God’s will.
If God’s omnipotent and omniscient, isn’t everything then, by equation, God’s will? As in, if it’s happening or if it has happened or if it will happen, then is it not God’s will?
I mean, he’s the one pulling the strings, why would anyone claim to suggest that someone is or isn’t living God’s will, when He created everything and everyone? When He knows everything? When this is His earth? His ballpark. His game.
Isn’t everything, the way that it is or is not, God’s will? How is it possible for a mere mortal to determine whether or not they have fulfilled the will of God?
Isn’t that what judgment day is for? Why do we then, think it is appropriate to point the finger and judge, ourselves and others, based on our limited cognisable knowledge of what God’s will is, or is supposed to be?
If God is in and of everything, then how can we assert that His will is separable from what is, currently, and all inclusively?
I’m not sorry if I’ve offended anyone, though, rest assured that I have not intentionally sought to.
And, just FYI, I will leave the topic of free will for another day. So I encourage you to refrain from mentioning the God gave us free will to choose our own path, or, the right path, argument.
I would love to hear your opinions, especially if you’re religiously affiliated.
Humans-are-limited-by-their-selves. Though sometimes, those limits are gratuitous.



I really like your thought about everything ending up being God’s will. If he knew every consequence of every action he took, and everything that would stem from it, he knew exactly what would happen at every moment in time, and must have wanted it to happen. This is true no matter what action of God we are talking about.
One example that really bugs me is Eve eating the forbidden fruit. What was the point in God creating us, and having a tree which we are not allowed to eat from, telling us not to eat from it, while knowing we will eat from it anyway, resulting in us becoming sinners and suffering for it for thousands of years(not to mention hell), then sending his own son into the world to pay the price for our sins and grant us forgiveness, but only if we believe this actually happened, without giving us any clear evidence, all of which could have been prevented by just not making the tree we ate from. Whew! That was a mouthful! Seems like an exercise in redundancy to me. Unless god just wanted to punish us….
Kinky
Haha, I’m just joking! Anyone who reads that, please don’t take it too seriously. If looked at with an open mind I am sure you can see just how awful of plan this is on God’s part. And it doesn’t make especially sense since God is allegedly Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnibenevolent, which would mean he should be able to come up with good plans.
Kinky, indeed.
Personally, if I was given an opportunity to eat fruit from a tree, I’d take it. And I’d throw the fruit at anyone telling me I shouldn’t have. Then I’d pick another, take a bite, and throw it as well. Just for fun.
Call me a recalcitrant sinner if you must (I’m guessing you wouldn’t personally) though, the issues I take with religion I take with all forms of authority. Suggesting that there is only one or two or an arbitrarily limited number of paths that lead your life by makes me gurgle. Thanks for dropping by, much appreciated.
So many questions that have either no answer, or contradict the answers of religion.
And, just like a misogynist will turn any argument a woman makes for feminism into a claim of ‘hysteria / hormones’, a religious person will stamp on all of these questions (if they can’t answer them properly) with the time tested ‘you just have to have faith’.
And to me, that’s a cop out.
“Humans-are-limited-by-their-selves. Though sometimes, those limits are gratuitous.” Nice. I liked your rationale throughout the post. I know that you are aware of the superficial level at which you have approached each of the issues, but I certainly agree that these are the problematic areas of religion. I have seen the effects that the ignoring of the subjective realities play out in many funny ways.
Thank you for your thoughts. Your writing style is very enjoyable.
Peace
Loren
In fairness, each religion is very different. But let’s just assume we are talking about Christianity here. Once upon a time I was an actual Christian missionary- who now no longer believes in God. As a bonus, my in-laws are your stereotypical fundamental Christian nightmare. So I know a little on the topic.
First, I have never met a Christian who claimed to know God’s will in general. They assume spreading the word and doing good works is probably pleasing to him, and therefore must be a part of his will. But most Christians rely heavily on faith as a means of dealing with the disappointment of God’s will actually revealing itself.
A crucial piece to understanding Christians is that nothing is open for interpretation or debate. If you have doubts- that is Satan trying to deceive you. The bible is inspired by God, and God intended us to follow it. Forget the “men wrote it” argument. God inspired it, damn it! And, are you crazy? NEVER use your own noggin for information!! That is inviting worldly knowledge, and we all know this is the Devil’s world. This is not our home, and the wisdom of God is foolishness to an unbeliever (so none of that science crap, either).
But God’s will…. you simply cannot ignore free will and have that discussion. Ironically, this is the part that makes the most sense to me. A huge part of religion is that God does allow us to destroy ourselves. He does allow Satan to sway us. God has been disappointed in the human race again and again. But he promises to those who are faithful that this is like the blink of an eye. The ones who seek him will have eternal glory. But since this means that God’s will is to allow free will, we must save that discussion for another day…..
It’s all bullshit, sure. But you aren’t even on their planet yet. It was a pleasant place, and some people require nothing more in life. They are happy there. The unhappy ones will eventually start breaking the rules. Some of us need things to make sense, so we start listening to the Devil. Until we stop believing in him, too. It meant freedom, but I am glad I understand the language there. It’s been useful. You see, the answer to all of these questions is that you are simply over-thinking something you don’t even believe is real…..while they are not thinking about it at all.
(I love your posts, by the way- I usually only ramble like this in my own little corner. Sorry it’s so long!)
I’m very curious how a former Christian Missionary now doesn’t believe? I’m just curious! I find religion too much of a Pandora’s Box. So much hate, hypocrisy, bigotry……I don’t want to live that way. YUCK! I also have a hard time believing in things I can’t see or feel. To me, God is an imaginary friend for grownups. Have you posted what made you choose a different path? I’m going to go stalk your blog for a bit lol
When Christians truly model their behavior after Christ, it really is a beautiful religion. They just get it wrong so often. I have known many Christians who stopped believing. It starts by having questions. I am an over-thinker, and I like knowing the reasons behind things. I needed to know the history; a timeline of how Christianity unfolded and why we believe what we do. Because God didn’t just hand us the bible, and I think it’s important to understand what actions men took to decide a doctrine I am not even allowed to question.
Turns out there is a lot of info out there for those who care to look. And a lot of what I once believed as absolute truth was based on very little substance. I mean, when you consider the politics and debating that went into deciding the trinity concept alone- there is no reason to put such faith in the decisions made centuries ago by a group of men. Half of them didn’t even accept it.
I realize now that we know nothing. And for a Christian, that can set you free. Because Christians, unlike many other religions, have already set the answers in stone. You are not allowed to question those answers. Lots of people out there hate figuring things out for themselves, so they are content believing in something that makes them happy. But for those of us who like to analyze the details- being Christian can be rough. You must first get past the belief that questioning that doctrine is really just the devil trying to trick you . It sounds crazy, but it is real.
But- information is power. It was a popular book a few years back, but a really good read that you might like is Karen Armstrong’s A History of God. I also enjoyed her autobiography, Spiral Staircase. It is fascinating to read about her journey from Catholic Nun to agnostic and expert on world religion.
It is interesting to find that the more I learn about religion, the less I know about God.
And thanks for stalking my blog